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dollars in tax revenue by letting the high-income bush tax expire. that hatch matches the spending cuts in the 2011 debt ceiling deal. a trillion for a trillion. then dem krts and republicans get 6 billion worth of stuff they want. democrats get 6 billion from tax reform and republicans get 600 billion in spending cuts of which 350 mill billon comes from medicare and other health problems and 250 billion comes from elsewhere. then we draw down wars in iraq and afghanistan, shaving another trillion off of the deficit. that gets us to around 4 trillion in deficit over the next ten years. we are almost at 5 trillion in deficit reduction. as they sign the game shows, that's not all. the white house is also asking for about 200 billion in stimulus. according to the weekly standard, when senate minority leader mitch mcconnell saw the proposal, he quote, burst into laughter. he literally lol 'd. >> i've been very guarded in what i wanted to say. i didn't want it make it harder for me it say or the president or members of both parties to find common ground. but when i come out the day after the
, by extending middle class tax cuts and raising taxes on the rich. >> it would give us more time than next year to work together. on a comprehensive plan to bring down the deficit, streamline our tax system. do in a balanced way. >> the president apparent shift away from spending and tax altogether now in a big deal could increase the chances of a market rattling fall off the cliff. since the republicans want spending cuts included. >> republicans are willing to put revenue on the table. but it's time for the president and democrats to get serious about the spending problem that our country has. >> the president's move came one day after two other big developments, suggesting democrats want tax hikes on the rich now, with the promise of cuts to programs like medicare later. on tuesday, senator dick durbin flatly declared entitlement reform should not be on the table. yesterday, top white house officials also met with leading liberal groups, from labor unions to with one attendee telling the "washington post" they expect the taxes to go up on the wealthy and to protect medicare and m
does not include a tax increase on the so-caldwell thee but does contain $800 billion in revenue through tax reform, another $600 billion in health savings and much more. all told, the net savings amount to around 2.2 trillion dollars. the white house responded to this letter by saying that the president is, quote, willing to compromise but not on the subject of making job creators pay more in taxes. however, what our tax and spend commander-in-chief fails to understand is that putting money into the hands of you, the american people, is the single best way to spur economic growth, and it's not just people like ronald reagan who understand this principle. bill clinton famously said the era of big government is over and the end of wel welfare as we know it. why? because government is not the answer. government is the problem. there was that other iconic democrat, the one that occupied the oval office in 1962. he spoke of the benefits of cutting taxes. president obama, i hope you're watching this. >> this can be the most important step we could take to prevent another recession. th
getting rid of the bush tax cuts for the upper income? you know the key point from the campaign? in a letter to the president, gop leaders said they will continue to oppose and will not agree to them. in fact, they propose not to raise tax rates for the wealthy but to lower them. that's from speaker boehner who said this about the president's plan. >> i was flabbergasted. i looked at him and said, you can't be serious. i've just never seen anything like it. >> never seen anything like it? the president won the election on that premise. but speaker boehner he seemses to have forgotten that. >> they must have forgot and then republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is, roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> speaker boehner claimses he's looking for common ground. but right now he's not even in the right ballpark. his problem is that the political ground has shifted for him and his tea partyiers. joining me now is michelle cottle, washington correspondent for "
will see their taxes go up january 1. i assume that does not sound too good like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that is a scrooge christmas. >>neil: the president taking republicans out for being the scrooge this christmas, but the villains, taxes will go up on everyone if they do not give in and hike them on the rip. the white house calling for $1.6 trillion in tax hikes upfront and $50 billion in new stimulus spending and speaker boehner is not impressed. >> they want to have this extra spending that is actually greater than the amount they are willing to cut. it was not a serious proposal. >>neil: consider that republicans should simply walk away from the talks. risks be damned and byron york on how that would play out. >>reporter: i don't think it would look good for conservatives, the accusation would be they dumped out after the president's very first offer. so it seems to me to make more sense for the republicans to make a counteroffer of their own making just as serious an offer as the president made, maybe they could offer up the ryan budget, or more extensive entitlemen
they are getting a dose of their own medicine. president obama has thrown down the gauntlet on taxes and while the gop is stomping its feet at making the wealthy to pay a bit more, he's making his pitch to the people. at a toy factory today, he warned them to play nice. >> joe biden was in costco. he wanted to buy some of this stuff. but i told him he had too much work to dochl i wasn. i told him he wasn't going to build roller coasters all day long. of course, santa delivers everywhere. i've been keeping my own naughty and nice list for washington. so you should keep your eye on who gets come kinects this year. there are going to be some members of congress who get them and some who don't. >> what sort of plan do you give the republican who won't agree with anything? this one, of course. the president is asking for a $1.6 trillion tax increase, $50 billion in economic stimulus, and the power to raise the debt limit without congressional approval. meanwhile, he will work the fine savings in entitlements. not to the man sitting on the naughty list. senator mcconnell said that he burst into laug
. the republican counteroffer to the white house plan relies on $800 billion. the plan does not raise any tax rates on the top income earners. it also contains $600 billion in health care cuts. who has been for that? nobody. there are $300 billion in cuts in mandatory government programs and another $300 billion in cuts to agency budgets and discretionary spending. the speaker's office sent a letter outlining the plan saying new revenue would be generated through pro-growth tax reform that closes special interest loopholes and deductions while lowering rates. oh boy. it's the mitt romney plan again. the offer letter actually described the proposal as the bowles plan. republicans say the plan is based on the outline for the debt commission co-chair. the approach outlined in the letter speaker boehner sent to the president does not represent the simpson-bowles plan nor is it the bowles plan. the white house also rejected the offer in a statement today. the republican letter released today does not meet the test of balance. in fact, it actually promises to lower rates for the wealthiest americans and
in case. just waiting for the chance to use it to sign the bill to make sure people's taxes don't go up. >> the adult in the room continues his campaign to cut taxes for the middle class and john boehner keeps shooting spit balls. the latest on the stalemate and the democrat's upper hand. >>> mitch mcconnell gets ridiculous with his demands to weaken medicare. one of the architects of obama care responds tonight. >>> house republicans pass an immigration. bill democrats say is divisive and inferior. tonight, congressman javier pasara on why the latino community won't. be fooled. >>> the first fast food strike is historic. what you need to know about the lowest-paid workforce in the country. good to have you with us. thanks for watching. president obama knows his opponent is on the ropes and he's not letting up. the president took his tax plan agenda on the road today. he e went to a pennsylvania toy factory to focus on the people who will be hurt if the tax rate extensions are not passed for the 98% of americans. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their income
way. it's the set of automatic spending cuts and tax hikes that can only be averted if our nation's leaders are able to display bear bones competence and middle school-level maturity. so is there a deal? >> there's, of course, no deal. >> of course! is there a prospect for a deal? >> there's not a prospect for a deal. >> of course! but the ongoing talks. >> there aren't even very many talks going on. >> you're killing us! give us something. >> but for the first time, there are numbers on pieces of paper from both sides. >> numbers on paper! >>> good morning. it's wednesday, december 5th. welcome to "morning joe." live in the nation's capital. this is exciting. and you know, i said, let's do a show from washington, d.c., because they get so much stuff done there. it's like silicon valley. and going there when steve jobs was really bringing apple to the forefront -- >> a happening place. >> it is. it's where things happen. that's why we're here, steve rattner. >> washington is the place. with us on set, economic analyst steve rattner. also political editor and white house correspond
is threatening a power play move to force a vote on extending middle class tax cuts. this morning, president obama also pushed away republican senator orrin hatch called his proposal, radical. >> it's unacceptable for some republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they refuse to let tax rates go up on the we weltmist americans. >> what he proposed this week is a classic bait and switch on the american people. a tax increase doubled the size of what he campaigned on. >> joining me now nbc news white house correspondent mike viqueira. mike, let's talk about this thing. this is the time the lawmakers are breaking out the rule book to find some tricks. how does pelosi think she can force a vote on middle class tax cuts? >> it's funny, craig, the president visited the tinker toy factory yesterday but he's not playing around, that is for certain. his opening bid delivered by tim geithner the treasury secretary on thursday up on the hill was such a one-way document as far as republicans were concerned that the republican leader of the senate broke out in a burst o
taxes from going up. and asking the public for help in getting through to the ones he sees as naughty. the historic vote at the u.n. puts palestinian hopes for statehood back in the headlines. but will it bring their dream any closer to reality? i'll ask the palestinian prime minister. and if pictures don't lie, you may be watching a power ball winner learning the good news. but who is he? wolf blitzer's off. i'm joe johns. you're in "the situation room." >>> republicans and democrats now have just 32 days to make a deal or your taxes are going up and more than $1 trillion automatically will be cut from vital federal programs like defense, education and housing assistance. as referred to as the fiscal cliff. and when it comes to doing something to avoid it, house speaker john boehner bluntly told reporters today, there is a stalemate. for his part, president obama is trying to break that stalemate by asking voters to put more pressure on the republicans. cnn chief white house correspondent jessica yellin and chief political correspondent gloria borger join us right now. gloria, guess
class tax cuts. >> i think it's important congress act now, i mean right now. >> they're still not paying they're fair share? the people working have to pay even more in order to cover the incompetent errors by the spenders over all these years. >> greta: former speaker of the house newt gingrich joins us, author of the book "victory at your town." why are you telling house republicans to, quote, get a grip? >> i think this whole fiscal cliff language is designed to maximize a sense of fear that's nonsense. the very same people, the congress and president, who invented the fiscal cliff -- this is all an invention -- could break it down into 12 foothills. there are 15 foothills, or 20 foothills. they could tackle one problem at the time. i agree with what i understand senator jeff sessions has said, and i think he'll be on your show later, this ought to be out in the open. we're rushing toward a secret deal made in secret meetings where nobody will know what's going on, and then people will be told, boy, if you don't vote for this, we'll go over the cliff. well, i think there ar
it to sign this bill so people's taxes don't go up. >> the adult in the room continues his campaign to cut taxes for the middle class, and john boehner keeps shooting spit balls. >> it was not a serious proposal. >> tonight the latest on the stalemate and the democrats' upper hand. mitch mcconnell gets downright ridiculous with his demands to weaken medicare. one of the architects of obama care dr. zeke emanuel responds tonight. >>> house republicans pass an immigration bill democrats say is divisive and inferior. today, congressman javier on why the latino community won't be fooled. >>> the nation's first fast food strike is a historic protest for workers' rights. tonight, what you need to know about the lowest paid workforce in the country. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. president obama knows his opponent is on the ropes and he's not letting up. the president took his tax plan agenda on the road today. he went to a philadelphia, pennsylvania, toy factory just north of philadelphia to focus on the people who will be hurt if the tax rate extensions are no
. timothy depite gite saying we'll raise taxes 1.6 trillion and washington will increase taxes on capitol gains and we would like to say we like the power to raise the debt ceiling any time we want for the executive branch which is unconstitutional. >> steve: it is not 39 or 35 percent. all nonstarters in the world of negotiation. >> gretchen: two things to discuss. why is it tim geithner doing the discussions inted of the president of the united states. let me know if you have an answer for that. and the reason they are asking for this stuff. this is the way negotiations work when you win the presidency. you are walking around with your chest puffed up. this week, nothing will happen. until you cum come up right to the cliff. >> brian: this president is making a mockery of negotiations. he offered a initial trike with under 30 days until the cliff happens . sos the unserious attempt to get anything done. republicans ippedicated we will raise revenue. but the nuggets that are inside and his decision to go to pennsylvania and talk to a tinker toy and scrooge and coal in your pocket is an i
that any agreement must include some higher income tax rates on top earners. the republican plan would raise tax revenue by not extending the current obama cut in payroll taxes. but the republican plan still refuses to raise the top income tax rates. yesterday, treasury secretary tim geithner made it clear that there can be no deal without higher top tax rates. >> last question, can you promise that we will not go over the cliff? >> no, i can't promise that. that's a decision that lies in the hands of the republicans that are now opposing increases in tax rates. if they recognize the reality that we can't afford to extend those tax rates, then we have a basis for the agreement and that's going to be the responsible thing to do and my judgment is they are going to do it. >> joining me now, ezra klein, huffington post, ryan grim. ezra, what do you make of the boehner proposal that was kind of cribbed from erskine bowles? >> two things. one, republicans are terrified about by the polls showing that they are going to immediately get blamed if they are not willing to compromise. the reason
the middle class tax cuts before the end of the year. that's the bottom line. party leaders and members are all on the same page. president obama rejected the latest proposal from john boehner. the president and the democrats are focused on revenue and they are determined to make sure that the top tax rates go up. >> unfortunately, the speak er' proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks, for example, about $800 billion worth of revenues, but he says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> harry reid wasted no time explaining why the boehner proposal is not serious. >> math. you can't get from here to there unless you raise the rates. that's why romney couldn't explain it during the presidential election. no one can explain it because you can't do it. >> jay carney says the speaker's plans raises more questions than answers. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and ferry dust. >> john boehner's heavy-handed approach to leadership, b
putting his foot down. he says no tax hikes for the wealthy, no deal. america hits that fiscal cliff in 27 days and that means tax hikes and deep spending cuts if the democrats and the republicans can't come together in some kind of a deal and with just ten days remaining until congress is scheduled to go home for the holidays, the clock ticking. here's what he told bloomberg news. listen. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able it to get a deal without it. >> we start this morning with white house correspondent dan lothian, he's in washington, d.c. okay. so who's got the ball in their court at this point then, dan? >> well, you know, i think the house gop, they have presented their counteroffer which white house spokesman jay carney is referring to as, quote, magic beans and fairy dust. we expect that house republicans will keep putting pressure on the white house to engage, push for more details on what the white house will accept when it comes to additional entitlement cuts. but i think what's unclear is what kind of negotiating is goin
. bill: democrats upping the ante, looking to raise taxes, protect entitlements and raise the debt ceiling all at the same time. stuart varney, hello, there, sir. you think there has been a shift in those negotiations. >> i don't mean a shift in position. i mean a shift in focus, what they are focusing in on on the last couple days it's been taxes now it seems to be we are focusing in on entitlements and spending cuts. the democrats and the republicans are presenting a united front saying no cuts to entitlement. no entitlement reform. the unions have an ad campaign saying don't touch entitlements. the president campaigner in chief saying the same thing. he put no entitlement reform front. a unified front on entitlements. bill: we did two hours of television yesterday. i saw a story that was as far apart from coming to agreement as is possible. do you see any give between these two sides? >> i saw a statement from senator dick durbin generally considered on the left of his party, he's saying, nobody should be so naive as to believe that just taxing the rich will solve our problems.
the american people said? 60% said income tax rates should be raised. >> right. >> 55% said the economic system favors the wealthy. 65% legal status for illegal immigrant. 59% said abortion should be legal. and they are still saying that their ideas carried the day? >> stewart stevens has written a lot of good fiction and another life he writes books and they are kind of good. but if you just slice off a piece of the electorate that we won, then we won those ideas, that doesn't make any sense and it's not actually -- look, we can take a step back and say, what is right for the country? but republicans first have to say what is right for republicans? if republicans want to win these kinds of elections, they have to appeal to more people, not what stewart stevens said, which is somehow the liberal coalition turned into a strength. as if they are still playing the argument that this guy is a fluke. the president is a remarkable coincidence of fate. the republican party will never find the majority of the republican party again. >> karen, not a fluke. let me tell you, president obama won bigger tha
barack obama has made his plan to avert the fiscal cliff very clear. he wants to raise taxes now. and, by the way, he'll get back to us with how exactly he intends to cut spending later. that's why speaker of the house john boehner told reporters no substantive progress has been made. president obama has no interest in reducing the size of the federal government. now democrats before him he's dangling the prospect of future budget cuts in the hopes republicans will take the bait. with that in mind, it's important to remember the words of president ronald reagan, he wrote them in his own autobiography, and described in great deal a deal he struck with the democrats in 1980s, promising $3 in spending cuts for every dollar in a tax increase. reagan wrote, the democrats reneged on their pledge and we never got those cuts. perhaps that's why some on the right are calling foul on these negotiations. >> the only secret talks have revealed, a government that skips from one crisis to the next. all of this secrecy allows the president to petition himself frankly and being in favor of a balanced
laughing in the face of the white house plan, saying it's big on taxes, big on cuts. is there any hope now of a deal before these taxes shoot up? >> also this morning, dancing in the west bank? condemnation from israel and the u.s., as the u.n. general assembly now votes to recognize a palestinian state. is this the right tack for peace? >> fortune and glory. one of the winners of the record powerball jackpot is out. and the other may not be a mystery any more. >> hmm. plus battered but not broken. an exclusive look here at lady liberty after superstorm sandy. >> we have a packed show ahead. steny hoyer, harvard economics pro-presser ken rogoff. russell simmons, former presidential candidate jon huntsman and good samaritan larry deprimo. >> gave the boots to the homeless man. we're going to get the whole back story there. it is friday, november 30th. tgif. to you and you as well. "starting point" begins right now. >>> your elected officials trading insults, playing the blame game here as the clock is winding down on the fiscal cliff. keep in mind time is a-wasting. in 32 days now
revert back to the same tax plan that we had when clinton was president. you can't get from here to there unless you raise the upper rates. and that's what the president suggested, it's up to them to come forward with something else. >> the day after boehner loyalist tom cole, republican congressman from oklahoma said that the house should simply take up the bill that the democrats passed in the senate that would raise income taxes only on the top income tax brackets. another senior republican lawmaker who asked not to be identified this time told reuters that the democratic bill could pass in the house of representatives if john boehner would allow such a bill to be brought to the house floor for a vote. here is boehner speaking about the president earlier today. >> members of his own party seem quite comfortable with sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> speaker boehner doesn't want to propose spending cuts, so now he's trying to pressure the white house to
. the white house promptly rebuffs the gop counterproposal which calls for $800 billion in new tax revenue but without tax rate increases for the wealthy. could this tax issue deadlock the talks? >>> bank of america ceo warns the cliff must get stalled or the economy could be stifled well into 2014. >>> even more dividends pushed into 2012. coach, american eagle moving up and oracle will play out three-quarters of dividends this year. >>> more strength in housing this morning. toll brothers earnings top expectations. we'll begin with the fiscal cliff. governors are set to meet today with the president and congressional leaders. governors are concerned about the impact of deficit reduction measures on their state budgebu. the latest gop offer would overhaul the tax code, raise $800 billion in new revenue but seek $600 billion in health savings, net savings add up to about $2.2 trillion over ten years. boehner called the white house's original offer la la land and it does appear that even though at one point bowles endorsed a blueprint like this, he's trying to distance himself from it right
court press asking americans to pressure congress to keep middle class tax cuts for families earning $250,000 or less. >> it is too important for washington to screw this up. now is the time for us to work on what we all agree to, which is let's keep middle class taxes low. tweet, use the hashag my2k or e-mail, post it on a member of congress' facebook wall, do what it takes to communicate a sense of urgency. i'll sign this bill as soon as congress sends it my way. i got to repeat, i've got a pen. i'm ready to sign it. so -- >> the president wants republicans to first agree to keep the middle class tax cuts, and then he wants to move on and tackle the rest of the fiscal cliff problems. do not count on groundswell of republican support. in fact, one republican, congressman tom cob, proposed a similar idea and conservative republicans shot him down. we'll get to that here in a moment. quite a moment today. also president obama is meeting today with 14 key ceos to try to get their support for keeping those middle class tax cuts. the ceos are from huge, huge companies here. macy's, home
of getting the fiscal cliff deal done before everyone's taxes go up. >> consolation lunch? president obama visits mitt romney to the white house today and everyone is buzzing about it. could obama offer him a job? >> congratulations to someone. you just won the gdp of a small nation. not just one but two winning tickets in last night's record powerball drawing. we'll tell you where. >> and if they will be my best friend soon. we have a packed show. john ba, rasso, adam shif, rick warren, tom cole, connie and mary bono mack and steven holcomb. >> we have so many people coming up. it is thursday, november 2. "starting point" begins right now. >>> good morning, everyone. our starting point this morning, developments happening now in cairo. the u.s. embassy there is closed. no one is being allowed in or out as we speak. >> embassy officials say protesters are blocking the entrance and clashes are happening near nearby. reza sayah is nearby for us. what's happening? >> reporter: there is no indication protesters are targeting the u.s. em wibassy b it was closed as a precaution. these are protes
, is on middle class taxes. and as i've said before, we've got two choices. if congress does nothing, every family in america ll see their tacks automatically go up at the beginning of next year. starting january 1st, every family in america will see their taxes go up. a typical middle class family of four would see its income taxes go up by $2200. $2200 out of people's pockets. that means less money for buying grocery, less money for filling prescriptions, less money for buying diapers. it means a tougher choice between paying the rent and paying tuition and middle class families just can't afford that right now. by the way, businesses can't afford it either. yesterday i sat down with some small business owners who stressed this point. economists predict that if taxes go up on the middle class next year, consumers will spend nearly $200 billion lesson things like cars and clothes and furniture and that obviously means fewer customers, that cuts into business profits, that makes businesses less likely to invest and higher which means fewer jobs and that can drag our entire economy down. now
proposed raising $800 billion in revenue from tax reform, not higher tax rates, but the white house immediately slammed the offer and said it won't even consider it, and tonight speaker boehner responds to the white house response saying it's now up to the president to come up with a plan. congressman allen west joins us. good evening. >> how are you doing? >> greta: very well. the white house is unimpressed by the proposal from the speaker and the white house republicans. >> the white house needs to go back and do case studies whe. you look at presidents cool imagidgeand kennedy, they went % down to 24%. kennedy went from 91% down to 71% and they increased revenue. what we're talking about is not what the president of the united states is looking at with wealth redistribution. we're talking about wealth expansion and economic growth and sound economic policies to do that. if you want to continue to believe that 250,000 dollars makes someone rich, you're going to crush these small businesses owners that operate a subchapter s llc using their own personal income bracket. it will affe
the message along, put pressure on lawmakers to get this middle class tax cut extension down. the president sitting down with small business owners, with ceos of major companies, pushing that middle class tax cut message. they don't believe that this is the comprehensive solution, but they believe this is a step towards the final solution, a final agreement to prevent this fiscal cliff scenario. the president saying he believes that this can get done before christmas. take a listen. >> a clear majority of americans, not just democrats, but also a lot of republicans and a lot of independents glee that we should have a balanced approach to deficit reduction that doesn't hurt the economy and doesn't hurt middle class families. if we agree that we should not raise taxes on middle class families, let's begin our work with where we agree. >> of course there are some lawmakers who are not that optimistic. they don't think there's enough time between now and the end of the year to get a deal done. nonetheless the president will continue pushing his message. he heads to pennsylvania tomorrow. he wil
cliff. the across-the-board spending cuts and sharp tax increases that hit in just 29 days. let's get straight to our senior congressional correspondent dana bash. she's watching what's going on. dana, the tax rates, first of all, let's get to a major sticking point right now. there's been a counterproposal from house republicans to the white house. you have details. >> reporter: that's right. let's start exactly where you just began on those tax rates because that has become the big divide between the two sides. the answer is the house republicans are not budging. they still want to continue the bush era tax rates at all income levels. let's get specific. first of all, the counterproposal, they say they would get about $800 billion in savings from what they call tax reform, from deductions and closing loopholes, things like that. but the bush era tax rates, all of them would remain, even for the wealthiest. to show you the difference, compared to the white house offer that they got last week, $1.6 trillion in savings when it comes to tax revenue. but much of that came from raising ta
, why crippling defense cuts, and the largest tax increase will take hold in 35 days because your elected officials don't know how to stop spending money. let me first play a small part of one of the most memorable inaugural addresses of all time. >> my fellow americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. >> sean: sadly five decades removed from that iconic speech, the democratic party, its leaders, and countless other americans, rely on government for too many things. instead of asking what they can do for their country, they're asking what their country can do for them. now the debt record is at record levels, tax rates are soaring, because nowadays handouts have taken the place of hard work. a liberal notion has permeated our society one that now says the federal government, it's their job to find you a job. it's the so-called rich that should have to pay more in order to bankroll somebody's healthcare, or buy somebody's birth control regardless of their religious beliefs. simply calling this an entitlement society is a gross underst
on extending middle class tax cuts and nothing more by simply voting present. what have you heard and what's the likelihood that would happen? >> well, i think it's still -- it's sort of the formative stage, and it's not clear when it's going to happen. to me it reflects what is a clear rereality, which is that e status quo favors the democrats and the republicans are finding a way to deal with this. democrats have the upper hand in the default scenario, and republicans, i think, know it's a loser for them to hold middle class tax cuts hostage essentially in the name of keeping taxes low on upper income earners. this is a way to try to muddle through it without being seen to hold up middle class tax cuts, which is a big political loser for them. >> hold on for a second. house republicans released their counteroffer to avert the fiscal cliff. now it's really a fiscal fiesta. since it's a party we called in luke russert who emerged from a briefing. what's on the table? >> reporter: good afternoon, toure. big news here on capitol hill. we talked about being in a stalemate recently in terms of
location. it was able to build conventional and nuclear war heads 800 miles and that is not good. tax dollars at work. people in buffalo new york. spent 2.7 million so teachers could get plastec surgery. procedures provided under the great union contracts. gretch you and brian. >> gretchen: thank you very much, steve. we heard about the war on women in the presidential campaign. is there a war on men, too. the next cites that's the reason marriage stats are down. >> 50 percent adults were married in 2011 compared to 72 percent in 1960. we'll ask susan banker who is the author of this book. how to choose a husband and make peace with marriage. the rise of women in society ticked off men, is that correct. >> hi, guyings, how are you and thanks for having me on. it is a interesting ride the last 48 hours with this arcticle. i would like to begin behy saying what the message is not. it is not about women "returning to their former lives and roles as a 1950s house wifes and being submessive and not working outside of the home" and being do sile and obedient. this is a issue of gender relat
't see taxes go up on anybody so that we can engage in tax reform and get this economy going, again. >> democratic senator max baucus says congressional leaders and the president need to get to work on negotiations right now before the u.s. enters unchartered waters. >> i think if there's no agreement, whatsoever, if the other side is completely that the president has probably no choice but to say, okay, we're going to go with a cliff. that would not be my first preference. >> should that happen, should we go over that so-called fiscal cliff republican congressman lee terry thinks there could be an alterier motive on the part of the president. >> many of us fear that the president's real plan here was to let us go over the cliff and blame the republicans and that's what we look like we're being set up to do. and then if you go over the cliff, then two months later, a month later, the president can come back with a bill and say, hey, we're going to now since the republicans let everyone's taxes go up, i'm going to ride in here now and be the night and shining armor and lower the taxe
for states because, of course, you have to pay taxes on any of your winnings. so with the lot he commission increasing the price was generate revenue. they did and wow they will with this jackpot of $500 million. >> alison, did you buy a ticket? >> reporter: oh, no, i have no problem admitting it. i will go ahead and buy a few tickets of my own. >> good luck to you. thank you. we'll talk to you soon. >>> the other big story this morning, if at once you don't succeed, try, try again. susan rice, the u.n. ambassador returns for a second round of meeting with republican senators. rice failed to win over her sharpest gop critics yesterday still troubled about her comments following the u.s. attack in the u.s. consulate in benghazi that spring from a protest. she told "ac 360" that rice misled the american public. >> she would say that. she would have to say that because she began our meeting today admitting the representations of the video and the protests were wrong. and the impression left the american people misleading. >> senators graham and mccain are now more concerned than before they me
-on-one television interview since reelection president obama says he will only agree to a deal that raises tax rates on top earners. >> we are not going to simply cut our way to prosperity or cut our way out of this deficit problem. we are going to need more revenues. in order to do that that start with higher rates for the folk at the top. the reasonien, the reason i say that is not to punish success or go after folk just because they are wealthy. it's a simple proposition that you can't raise enough revenue and if you don't raise enough revenue through closing loopholes abductions, it's going to be middle class families that make up the difference. bill: john boehner will speak later this hour. we'll see how he responds to that comment. if washington can't get a deep, automatic tax increases and massive spending cuts do take effect. martha: west virginia senator joe manchin, a democrat discussing the fiscal cliff, social security within medicare. he believes they must be run more efficiently. >> last year the office of budget management says $115 billion was misspent. that's a tremendous savings r
the no taxes pledge created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norqui norquist, the two most terrifying words a republican can hear, other than buenos diaz. but now some republicans are abandoning the anti-tax pledge as fast as they abandoned -- what's his name? don't help me. don't help me. rip flambe -- no, that's my personal trainer. >> all right. good morning. it's wednesday, november 28th. look at this live look at rockefeller plaza. it is just lit up. gorgeous. >> you know what happens tonight? >> oh, yes, the big tree lighting. >> big commerce -- >> exciting for all the children. >> all right. welcome to "morning joe." >> mike, do you think that's going to whip people into a buying frenzy -- >> it's comcastic. >> a five-year running joke. >> i guess he wasn't paying attention. >> yes. >> national affairs editor for "new york" magazine. john heilemann and andrea mitchell. >> a lot of people say, i'm in trouble. and they've got these little arm bands now, wwjd. what would joe do? so what do i say? you've seen those, wwjd. >> everywhere. >> i say make a mistake, just step
for places like the united states. >>> 34 days left before automatic tax hikes and spending cuts are triggered by the fiscal cliff. democrats and republicans appear stuck on entitlement reforms. democrats don't want deep cuts to programs like medicaid, medicare, social security. some republicans say it's the only way to get a deal. >> the reason we're having these negotiations is because washington democrats have spent money without any care for the cost or the future. and refuse to do anything to protect long-term spending programs like medicare, a failure that's among the biggest single drivers of our debt. >> one out of three people in this country are going to rely on medicare and head cade for their health insurance. so we need to find ways to preserve these programs. >> senator durbin says the debate over entitlement programs should be fought after the new year. he's going to join us in a few minutes to talk about it. >>> police on new york's long island investigating a deadly bus crash, a 6-year-old boy was killed last night when the driver of that bus lost control and wen
. this is all happening less than a month until accommodation of spending cuts and tax hikes kicks in. right now, it seems like both sides are moving further apart from the deal. here is house speaker john boehner and treasury secretary timothy geithner. >> we are flabbergasted. we have seven weeks between election day in the end of the year. three of those weeks have been wasted. >> we are not going to extend an extension of the tax rates. we think they need to go back to those levels. if you don't do that, you have to ask yourself, whose taxes are we going to raise? were we going to find the money bring a balanced plan in place? jenna: senator lindsey graham, a republican known for reaching across the aisle, not looking at this with a great deal of optimism. >> i think we're going over the fiscal cliff. it's pretty clear that they have made this happen. they are not saving social security and medicare and medicaid from imminent bankruptcy. jenna: james is live in washington with more. reporter: yes, what is clear is increasingly, the two sides -- the obama, white house, senate democrats on one
the president's side in these negotiations over taxes and sending. the president asking people to use twitter and facebook and anything else they can in social media to weigh in on these negotiations in terms of contacting congress. the president touring outside of washington like it was still during the campaign. building up support for his side of the argument. all to increase his political capital in this fight he's having with the republicans in congress. now the republicans have not been shy in condemning the president for taking this pop list approach in the way he's trying to get his way in the fight. the republicans own strategy is basically the opposite to what the president is doing. they are keeping their side of the argument very firmly within the beltway. they are not out barn storming anybody on this. they are not asking the public to get involved. they are trying to make sure this conversation ventures no further afield than the sunday morning talk shows. let's keep this in washington. because it is in the belt beltway where the republican side of the argument makes the most ap
solve these problems. >> with 32 days to go, will you be paying higher taxes? my political all-stars weigh in on battleground america. >>> and against all odds, after sandusky, penn state's incredible comeback. my exclusive interview with the coach of the year. >>> and a reunion with a dear old friend whose bark is as bad as her bite. sharon osbourne. her incredible year of highs and lows and how she's rebuilding her life after facing a terrible health prognosis. >> i couldn't see myself going through chemoagain. >> this is "piers morgan tonight." >>> good evening. who ever thinks the american dream is dead or dying should meet mark and cindy hill, a missouri couple who live a very ordinary life. at least that's what they were doing until wednesday and a little thing called power ball came along. sure, the odds were 1 in 175 million, but like everybody else in america, pretty much everyone else, they bought a ticket. wouldn't you know it, they won. sharing the jackpot with another lucky winner. today, the hills are holding a check in their hands for a cool $293 million. not sur
and cut spending. on january 1st, as many of you know, taxes go up and doeep spending cuts take effect. the sunday talk shows reflect how far apart they are what we will not do is extend those tax cut force the wealthiest americans. there's no possibility that we will find a way to get our fiscal house in order without those tax rates going back up. >> nobody wants to go over the cliff. that's why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making a concession to put revenues on the table. it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> speaker boehner added he is flabbergasted by the administration's proposals while secretary geithner said he believes a deal can be reached by the end of the year. >>> we could find out this morning if the supreme court will take up the issue of same-sex marriage. at 9:30 eastern, the court releases its orders list. there's a possibility justices will hear cases that challenge the federal defense of marriage act or california's proposition 8, which defines marriage as strictly between a man and
over the fight in the fiscal cliff. americans face crushing tax hikes and severe spending cuts in 27 days if democrats and republicans cannot come together on a deal. by the way, congress breaks for the holidays in ten days. slash that number. in an interview with bloomberg news, the president made it crystal clear he's not about to blink on the issue of tax hikes for the wealthiest americans. >> we'll have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> white house correspondent dan lothian joins us live from washington this morning. very nice to see you, dan. >> good to see you. >> here's the deal. we have republicans pitted against democrats. now we understand there are issues amongst republicans as well. >> that's right. they're in a tough spot here. they don't want to be in left in a position of being blamed for the fiscal cliff. you're seeing a division between house members and senate members. the reason for this is mainly over the 800 billion in new tax revenue. this was part of john boehner and plan. those tea party-backed co
benefits or certain tax breaks that married people who happen to be same sex should get or shouldn't get. so, there's a whole range of ways they could consider this. it doesn't mean they're just going to go in and determine that a law against same-sex marriage is illegal discrimination. there are a lot of other things they can do with it. >> benefits are one thing. recognition and allowance is another thing. here's the other thing. it is real hard to get breaking material and information out of the supreme court before they're ready to give it but on occasion good connections yield something and yet a lock-up in terms of what they might do with prop 8 and doma. >> yeah. that's true. but you have to remember, on these big, sweeping social issues that the court has decided throughout history, desegregation of public schools comes to mind, brown versus the board of education, that sat on people's desks for a long time and a bunch of different cases that all sort of folded in to it. loving versus virginia. that was interracial marriage. that was another case that sat around a long time becau
, that really tears my heart up. tax me, i don't care. >> you don't care if you pay more taxes. >> i pay hugh month -- the more money the congress gets, the more may they -- >> i got to see it doing some good. you have a foundation, i have a foundation. we give a lot of money privately to charity wes know, like the wounded warriors, we know they do -- chuck, thanks for coming. >> thank you, bill. >> would you call yourself a consecutive now? >> i've been conservative. on -- because of the position that we're in right now. >> financial position. >> certain financial, and i always said if you're going to wear the badge that we've earned of sheriff of the world. then you better act like wyatt earp. >> that puts you in aminority in hollywood. there aren't some actors they say they're conservative, they won't work. >> being a hypocrite here because i don't like when actors talk politics. >> we never hear you talk politics. >> i don't but i'm on the o'reilly show. >> why don't you like actors that talk about politics. >> because they haven't got political science degrees. >> it does get annoying w
. >> tax me. i don't care. >> you don't care if you pay more taxes? >> i pay a hue mownineying gus amount -- humongous amount of taxes. >> so do i. >> you do, too. >> if it would help i wouldn't mind it. the thing is it will not help. the more money congress gets the more they spend. >> i have to see it is doing some good. you have a foundation i have a foundation. we give a lot of money privately to wounded warriors fisher house the people we know do good. >> chuck thank you for coming. good to see you beguagain. >> thank you, bill. >> would you call yourself a conservative now? >> i have become conservative because of the position we are in right now. >> financial position things like that. >> certainly financial. i have always said you are going to wear the badge that we wear, the sheriff of the world. act like wyatt earp. >> that puts you in a minority in hollywood. >> there is a fear out there with some actors who aren't as accomplished as you are afraid to say they are conservatives. >> i don't usually talk politics. i am on the o'reilly show. >> why don't you like actors talk about
that they were going to, you know, pull out support, cut the tax revenues, but in the end the palestinian hort is important to israel because they provide the policing there. israel doesn't want to have to go back in and take over, and that's exactly what abbas threatened them with. i'll give you the keys to the palestinian authority headquarters. come and take them. the israelis really don't want them. >> i sense this is an important story. i mean, obviously. you are talking about the palestinians that suffer greatly if the u.n. pulled out that money and leverage there, but they are moving -- >> the u.s. has to be careful not to be on the wrong side. i mean, there's a change here that's taking place in the middle east. look at syria today, what's happening all across the middle east. >> okay. we got to leave it there. >> all right. >> thank you very much. >>> they're buzzing overhead. they are actually looking down on us from above. we're going to tell you why it is not just terror suspects who are being watched by drones and why some think the new technology could be violating our privacy. m
know you have all heard of the so-called fiscal cliff, the huge tax hikes and spending cuts that will be triggered if congress and the white house don't reach a budget deal by the end of the month. well, what are we looking at? first, cuts in defense. also bush era tax cuts set to x expire, so the majority of americans will pay more taxes. also at stake, the payroll tax holiday and unemployment benefits expect to get cut. dana, in your most recent column, you say it doesn't seem like anyone is doing anything but photo ops and news conferences. one politician was quoted as saying, effectively, we have a month. that's loads of time. is this a sophisticated game of chicken? >> it's a rather unsophisticated game of chicken, kind of elementary. what they're doing, both sides really, is doing a lot of posturing and waiting until they get close to the deadline if not go over the deadline because they feel if they go over the deadline, they're in a position to tell their hard core supporters, look, we have really got to make this deal now or that's the end. the economy goes back in
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